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Posted 20 June 2014 - 02:02 PM

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Hi all

 

My NfH has lived next door (terraced houses) for approx 2.5 years.

 

She has a new boyfriend who now lives with her - proper scrote he is.  I reported her over an animal matter and since then they have been a nightmare.

 

She moved our wheelie bin - she has always left the back yard full of dog faeces but usually I have brought it to her attention (which I shouldn't have to every few days) and her bf cleaned it.

 

I reported it to the landlord as I was sick of asking her and she wasn't cleaning it. We couldn't/can't have our windows open as the house gets full of flies and the stench from the yard is embarassing when we have visitors.

 

They both verbally attacked me and the bf threatened me and also threatened to set his dog on mine. I reported it to the police and they went round to see them - I also told the police about the state of the yard and they promised to sort that with her. I told the landlord and he had a word with them - allegedly!!

 

They laid low for a few weeks and then she started again a few days ago. Let the bfs dog out (on purpose) to attack mine and that was the final straw for me.

 

I reported it to the police again and the officer came out (after going round to see her) - there were 6 piles of muck on her yard.

 

Basically, he said that she was vulnerable as she had depression and I should/would have to put up with it!!

 

I could not believe what I was hearing. So she can do anything she wants and get away with it which is why I have lost all faith in the police - they seem to protect the perpetrators and not the victims.

 

She also stands at the back door gesturing and swearing at me when I am at our kitchen sink.

 

I have been keeping a diary - but now I don't think I will waste time doing it as it will serve no purpose.

 

He said that they had to ignore us and we have to ignore them - which we will gladly do - but how long is she going to keep it up?? and when she starts again - which she will - then she will simply be told again as it is clear that the police are loathe to take action. They also said that the dog faeces issue is an environmental health matter - even after they said they would deal with it!!

 

I can't believe how unfair this all is. Don't get me wrong - I have sympathy for anyone with a mental illness - but it does not help when she is taking medication, drinking alcohol and smoking drugs!!  Why should we have to put up with her behaviour and random, angry attacks?

 

I was also going to get CCTV so I could collect evidence.

 

Totally let down by the justice system yet again. :-(


Edited by Pitstop, 20 June 2014 - 02:04 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:41 PM

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Hello. From me,

Firstly do not stop your logs although you feel these are pointless, in actual fact the are vital to any potential action the authorities my take.

I would also record from your window for your phone, any actions she is doing.

Also albeit she has a mental illness, this does not give her the right to abuse you. If this is apart of her illness social service would be involved, report your concerns to them. Or the comunity mental health team.

Go back to the police and landlord, and present your logs and recording etc.

CCTV is a very option and can be cheaply done

Keep reporting everything to everyone
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:00 PM

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I have strong views about the validity of written logs,

 

My nfh took civil action against me and presented 68 pages of logs, ....allegations...no proof..... just false allegations,... it was an attempt to gain £5000 from me by way of compensation,

 

fortunately, the Judge saw it for what it was, when the compensation was denied, nfh asked for costs and solicitors fees, which the Judge denied as well,

 

my point is, written logs are not proof....thank God,  and the Judge.

 

that's why I always say time date stamp recordings, if something happened and it is not just an allegation.


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For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:01 PM

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Hello Pitstop

 

You have my full sympathy - the system is crap, crap and pure crap; we live in a society designed for rascals, anti-social people and those who don't give two hoots for law and order!

 

My NFH is making threats to "finish me off" and the police were round this evening, taking yet another history [!], and telling me they are going to resolve the issues by "nipping the problems in the bud" - which planet do they live on?  

 

It's hardly in the bud when somebody threatens to finish you off and has also used words to that effect to the police! 

 

I don't think the police are going to do anything even with CCTV - I figured that much out this evening; they say it's my neighbour and they would not encourage court action - this explains why so many of us on here are frustrated by the ineffectiveness of the police but it seems like this is the norm for them, so I personally cannot even see much point in CCTV cameras to bring about a halt to NFH's antics.

 

It's absolutely ridiculously insane; I am at my wit's end with all the aggro from the NFH and police involvement on the whole just throws salt on a deep long standing wound.


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 05:51 PM

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Contact the councils's Environmental Health Department over the dog mess. You really shouldn't have to put up with that mess. My boyfriends neighbours phoned Environmental Health reporting dog mess in the yard, even though we clean it up everyday and scrub the yard down at least once a week, saying they could smell it. All this over my boyfriend's cars. Now we make a point of cleaning it on a daily basis and scrubbing down several times a week.

 

Mental illness nor depression should stop her cleaning up after her animal. Maybe a call to the RSPCA about the dog mess if Environmental health wont help.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 12:04 AM

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It gets better!! I have found out, through her bragging, that she has showed police bruises and told them that I have attacked her. So it's down on record but she has not made a statement or wanted to press charges. It beggars belief ...I wouldn't have found out if it hadn't been for someone overhearing her bragging. ..so how much more nutter crap is she making up and reporting without my knowledge? The legal advice was to ignore it as police have to log it as a complaint. ..so surely why would they not make me aware of it? It can't be data protection surely as I am the subject.

Surely to god the police don't believe her. .that would explain their attitude when they came to see me. .ie..no help.

They seem to be protecting her and doing nothing for me.

Not happy..was thinking of going to the local MPs clinic day.

The landlord owns another property and the neighbours dread who he puts in there also. ..she also used to live there but moved next door..the other neighbours were ecstatic ..now I see why.

The legal advice I received suggested sending the ll a letter as they said I should hold him responsible.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 08:38 AM

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Has there been any legal action against you at all, 


For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 09:11 AM

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If someone is too ill to clean their dog's mess after them, surely it brings into question their ability to even look after a pet generally - surely, if a baby was being left in a nappy full of pooh because of mother being ill or depressed, Social Services or the authorities would not be accepting that lying down and would be quick to question other aspects of her parenting capacity - after all poohing and eating [sorry to be crude sounding] as well as shelter are basic but essential activities.  

 

P.S.  Sorry if I have missed the gist of the overall thread but I am not able to take everything in right now due to NFH antics but can identify as it seems my NFH have resorted to throwing cat pooh into my garden in the last 3 or so days - they have 2 cats - if it was fresh, surely it would not look stale and dry!


Edited by angee, 23 June 2014 - 09:14 AM.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 09:36 AM

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Thanks for your replies :)

 

Fullcircle - no - no legal action - but my point is if she keeps making all these false complaints about things that never happened - what happens if something does happen? or if she attacks me? I fail to believe that just because she hasn't made a statement or pressed charges that these previous allegations would be completely ignored!! Absolutely furious :angry: I believe the bf has done it as he hasn't been there all week - think they've had a row.

 

Angee - yes I agree. She claims she's an animal lover and she is like an animal Arfur Daly - 'rescues' animals and then flogs them for profit. The muck on the yard has been ongoing since she moved in - I just told her about it myself instead of going to the landlord or reporting her. I believe she has been reported to EH.

 

I feel really let down by the police - yet again - I am starting to lose all respect for them.

 

How do I find out who her mental nurse is??

 

What do people think of sending a letter to ll?

 

I experienced this several years ago - the Ll put a couple in there - one was a druggie and the other mental. They made my life hell and I was to the point of breakdown.  Same Ll and I reported everything to him. He did nothing - and when they did a moonlight flit they took everything - and I mean everything - that wasn't screwed down!! KARMA ;)

 

He apologised several times afterwards for not believing me/taking action  :faint: - and yet here we are again!!  I could view certain records through work at the time - I knew where they'd gone!! - I told him I knew,  but wouldn't tell him as payback. ;) I did, however, tell the numerous debt collectors who came looking for them afterwards ...ooops. :lol:

 

The neighbour from the Ll other property has suggested joining forces and bringing the landlord to book for his lack of action and continuing to put (mostly) scrotes in his houses and what people have been through. We were thinking of going to the next MPs clinic - this neighbour is even seriously considering selling up as he is sick of the idiots the Ll puts in his property next to him.

 

It's wrong - so wrong. :angry:


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 01:18 PM

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my point is if she keeps making all these false complaints

 

 

 

 Arfur Daly - 'rescues' animals and then flogs them for profit. 

 

Call the police and make a report that s/he is making false and malicious allegations.

 

The council might like to know that s/he is running a business,  this is change of use, council tax increase, income tax applicable, perhaps s/he is on benefit, that would be fraud, and a whole lot more


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For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 01:25 PM

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Thanks for your reply fullcircle.

 

She's too crafty for that (even though she is mentally ill) - to be caught I mean.

 

But they will want to know how I found out and to be honest I have lost the will to live with 'the law' - they won't do anything as she is a 'vulnerable' person and it's 'her illness' that makes her do things that she doesn't know she's doing. :huh:

 

Don't get me wrong, GENUINE cases I do really feel for them - it must be awful - but then organisations wonder why people have not time for them/don't sympathise/get hacked off - as it would appear they can do no wrong - people who aren't mentally ill get the book thrown at them - not if your depressed - they are invincible!! :o

 

The way I feel is that I am being dicriminated against for being sane!! (just about - but at this rate I won't be for much longer) :rolleyes:

 

Proper makes my blood boil like you wouldn't believe!! :angry:

 

The police did nothing even when I told them that the boyfriend had threatened to batter me (his words not mine)...they did nothing!! - ven though I told them the other neighbours had heard it .Unbelievable. :rolleyes:

 

They just said for us to ignore them and that they had told them the same. If she is mentally ill, how long will that last?? before her next psychotic outburst at me?

 

The legal guy said that the police will not prosecute as, even if they get an injunction or an ASBO - because the person doesn't understand what they are they are ineffective to enforce.

 

I was looking at getting a witness statement from the neighbours next door to them (they heard nearly all the first outburst when he threatened to hit me) and go for an injunction against him - then if her boyfriend can't come to her house she won't want to stay there???????The legal guy said it would cost £2k :(

 

Okay...and breathe... rant over :faint:

 

What does anyone think about sending the landlord a letter??????????? ;)


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 08:44 AM

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I sympathize with you pitstop. I agree that keeping a log is a good move. My nfh raised court action against me presenting a massive log of totally ficticious claims against me, fortunately I had kept a log too (as most of what our nfh had said we had done to them was in fact a total reversal of the truth) and this was presented at court by my solicitor and the case was thrown out after 5 mins! This was after 18 months of stressing over it.

The police are useless in these situations and become judgemental (which they should not be) often siding with the nfh and not the victim.

Hang in.
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Posted 25 June 2014 - 05:42 PM

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Thanks for your replies guys...I still can't believe in this day and age that normal, decent, hard working, honest people are being put through this and the police do diddly squat...it truly does beggar belief. Makes you wonder if any constabulary staff (or friends or relatives) have ever had any of these problems and know fully what it's like to live your life like this !!.. in fact..no...it doesn't because we all know the answer to that don't we??? Unbelievable  :rolleyes:


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 09:32 AM

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Makes you wonder if any constabulary staff (or friends or relatives) have ever had any of these problems and know fully what it's like to live your life like this !!..

 

In my experience, it is they who are quite often the perpetrators of this kind of behaviour, having a friend who lives next door to a police officer.


For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 11:38 AM

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Hello,

 

I don't know where to start with this, as my exNFH was very similar but a lot more pro-active in her campaign.

It was dangerous times for all of us.

 

When her case eventually got to court, she received the services of the Public Solicitor (look them up to see what they do).

The result of this was, every control measure they had placed on her (ASBO/Injunction) was immediately lifted and she was allowed to carry on doing what she did with the stamp of approval from the courts.

She was 'mentally incapable' of making the right decisions regarding her behaviour, so therefore was not responsible.

Scary stuff really, as she was still alowed to do other things, like drive a car, even though she was mentally incapable of deciding whether it was a good idea whether to drink before driving. I once saw her fall down onto her knees attempting to unlock her car as she was so drunk she couldn't stand up properly.

She got in the car and drove off.

She was also mentally incapable of knowing what was appropriate behaviour with other people's children, which gave us all many sleepless nights after we had to watch her enticing them in and asking if they wanted to touch her. There were 8 witnesses but we weren't even allowed to make a statement. It wasn't even allowed to go that far.

The same when she kicked in one of the flats in the block's front door and trashed it. DNA everywhere too!

She was allowed to do this because the law says she is not capable of making the right choice, so therefore is not responsible.

 

I hate to say this, and believe me, I wouldn't normally be so negative, but I can't really see what you can do, except carry on reporting the most serious issues of threats of violence etc and hope that something can be done.

 

I feel terrible saying that but having experience of this, I can sort of see where it is probably going to go.

 

At the very least, I think I would give myself a time limit of how long I would want to put up with this and if there is no end in sight after this time, you may want to think of a plan B.

 

Sad, not fair and dangerous and you have all my sympathy x


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:51 PM

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Thanks for your replies everyone.

 

Lady Godiva - don't worry - I kind of had an idea already!! ;)

 

I find it it quite paradoxical and utterly laughable that these people can drive a car (drunk or otherwise), vandalise property, are allowed to influence and raise their children - all when they don't know what they are doing allegedly!! Yet, when it suits, they do know what they are doing!!

 

It would appear that the authorities support this farce - ie police - they are 'vulnerable' so didn't know they'd committed a crime - don't get into trouble for it.

 

Social services - even though the 'vulnerable' person is incapable of making rational decisions - are allowed to influence their children - and social services just 'keep in touch' with them.

 

I know one thing, I am not going anywhere, there are too many memories here.

 

What I might do though is build the wall up to 6ft high and block the idiots out that way - and there isn't a single thing they can do about it.  :D

 

There's always a plan B.  :lol:


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 07:43 PM

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Good for Plan B!

 

If you can stick it out, then good.

One suggestion I didn't make about all this was to move because, like you, for many reasons, I didn't want to either.

I know it suits some people to move on but I'd bought my home for very specific reasons and the fact that I had actually managed to get a mortgage as a single parent had been a miracle in itself, so I stuck it out.

 

My NFH left eventually, kept coming back and stalking us for a while and then got fed up and started to terrorise someone else, the last I heard.

Things change and you never know, you may get rid one day. Ok, it might not be with any punishment but the ultimate aim should be to get your life back and have some peace.

I've got a sort of 'village idiot' NFH now but due to the fact he hasn't got any 'issues' he is actually being kept in line finally.

He's not really a violent type. More of an inconsiderate idiot! x


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 08:22 AM

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 I'd bought my home for very specific reasons and the fact that I had actually managed to get a mortgage as a single parent had been a miracle in itself, 

 

 

Respect and admiration 

 

:notworthy:  :clap2:  :clap2: 

 

There shouldn't be a reason for anyone to feel that they should have to leave their home.


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For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 09:37 AM

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Unless you ARE the nfh, and you have to move because you were so embarressed that other people found out that it was in fact you that had been nfh, and not as you had suggested.

like my nfh who's house is currently for sale!! Ha ha
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 10:54 AM

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Yes, I agree,

 

this could be the situation with my nfh at the mo!

 

there is a good chance that my nfh will be exposed for what they have been doing to me and my property for the last 14 years,

 

how will they explain that they are not the pillars of the community and that they have been lying all of this time, to the point where they have lied to the police and in court on oath, which resulted in a conviction on me, 

 

I cant see how they could move away from a financial point of view through lack of funds ,no money, no hope,

 

what will they tell all of the people who they have been lying too? i.e. in the village and on the  school run?


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For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?