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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:14 AM

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Hi Everyone,

 

Was hoping to not be back here but you know how it is!

 

For the third time, my NFH has left his dog locked in his flat while he went on holiday (I presume).

A lady went in and I saw her give it a tiny walk (about 20 metres) and then it went back inside for almost 24 hours a day. I only saw her once in the week but obviously don't know if she came everyday.

I originally thought it was for a week but kept a diary of events and I did report that it had started to be noisy the week before and have since found out it was left for 2 weeks.

 

At the time, it yapped constantly, all day and all night. 

I had a lung infection and needed treatment and was really not feeling at my best. Of course, my doctor said to rest but I found myself awake every night, all night as this dog just yapped and yapped.

When I say yapped, I mean one after another after another, without a break.

It was horrible. It sounded so distressed and it was like it was being played in my ear all night, over and over.

 

I had previously called the dog warden, who saw it on it's own the last time but she recommended the RSPCA. Initially, I found them to be really helpful but only eventually turned up after the owner was back and said everything was fine. Of course it was fine then!

They then used my details to phone me and ask for money as I had the pleasure of using their services!

 

This time, I just handed it over to the Housing Association for this man. Complicated, as the HA sublets the flat to another HA who he is their tenant, so everything goes through 2 HAs (the worse nightmare possible!).

 

The latest incident happened end of May and someone eventually turned up last Thursday to speak to him about the dog. Apparently, they told him that everything was fine and to ignore me because I was a sad old bag with nothing better to do with my time.

Of course, I don't know if this is true but both the tenant and his girlfriend literally made the allegation to me at the same time, when they accosted me in the street after the visit.

I believe there may be an element of truth to what has been said because I've seen it before where Housing Officers are immediately all pally with the perpetrator and pander to them.

 

I told the HA that they had accosted me in the street.

Then came the false allegations that I'd verbally abused them and they were 'deeply offended' etc. Oh my goodness, it is literally text book NFH!

 

I said no I hadn't and I'd really like to speak to whoever went round to see if the personal comments made towards me had been said. It turns out that no one knows who it was (reckon).

 

So I'm thinking now, that the HA can believe the NFH when he says I verbally abused him but yet, they can say that the comments made by the mystery guest, no one knows who it is and it probably wasn't said!

I've said 'so, are you saying this tenant is a liar if he says anything against you but not if he says anything against me?!'

 

The thing that is bugging me the most, as always happens, is the focus is being dragged away from the original issue with petty arguing and mud-slinging which both HAs seem willing to entertain and so the next time the dog is left on it's own, we'll be back to square one!

 

I did question with both of them whether he should actually have been allowed to have the dog in the first place as I read both of their pet policies and he seemed unlikely. However, when intensively questioned about this, I was fobbed off, left right and centre and I may as well been going 'blah, blah, blah' One of them did let slip that he didn't have permission though.

My stance throughout the whole issue has been that they should have dealt with it at the start and followed their own policies and then we wouldn't have had at least 3 incidents of animal neglect!

 

Any advice. I'm torn between just dropping the whole thing or going into battle with a massive complaint about everyone and everything!

 

 



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 12:55 PM

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My advice would be to get several of your friends (preferably animal lovers) to ring the RSPCA and report the dog being left alone. Get them to say how the dog is in distress and they heard it from the street whilst walking past. They can ring anonymously. If that doesn't work threaten to call the newspapers as the RSPCA are clearly not doing what they collect the charity donations for and are therefore committing fraud. Failing that, find someone who can "gain entry" and remove the dog, possibly the police, you have to say that the dog is very distressed, has no water etc.


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Posted 24 June 2014 - 01:12 PM

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You are not going to believe this!

 

I was dealing with Housing Officer 1 who is from the HA who owns the flat.

She was difficult, evasive and I was really losing patience with her.

 

I then sent a short email to Housing Officer 2 who is responsible for the tenant and explained to him that I felt that things were getting right away from where we started and he answered a few short sentences saying that it was dealt with and he would be going round again to give him a firm warning, the dog had been rehomed and he completely understood my concerns.

 

What a turn around in literally half an hour!

I'm still a little mad that it went on like it did because I'm not exactly a beginner when it comes to NsFH.

Even better news, Housing Officer 1 is leaving at the end of the month, so I'm hoping her replacement is better!

 

I am just praying that that will be the end of it now.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:55 AM

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It was going so well!

 

My NFH has now turned into a bonfire fanatic!

We've had 8 hour bonfires on Saturday and Sunday to burn all the waste which he is clearing from a garden which is not even his own.

Wet grass being fuelled by petrol. Blimey, the smoke was horrendous and now he's bringing in wooden pallets and planks especially to use to make more fires.

I've reported it to his landlord, as I can't cope with the stink and having to close the windows in such hot weather.

Now he has started having late night bonfires, starting at 10.30 - 11pm and the ground is so dry. Also flinging petrol and other flammable liquids on it, so it is raging.

I can't help but think that everything is going to go up, including my summer house but I can't stay up every night keeping an eye on it all.

It's not even in his own garden.

He seems to have comandeered a neighbour's garden to use specifically for lighting bonfires. I can't believe how stupid and inconsiderate he is really.

 

Really fed up with it and worried about how much damage could be caused by this stupid idiot.

I want to tackle the whole thing with the HA now, as I feel that he has no concept of how to be a good neighbour or how to understand safety. I'm wondering if he should have a supported tenancy with someone helping him.

Ideally, I'd like him to be thrown out but given that he is the 3rd NFH, you just don't know what you might get next.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:00 PM

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Then came the false allegations that I'd verbally abused them and they were 'deeply offended' etc. Oh my goodness, it is literally text book NFH!

 

 

 

Absolutely, typical NFH - mine do exactly this too.

 

About the fires - is it not possible that you were woken up by noise at about 11.30pm - having smelt smoke and seen the fire you became scared - anon called 999 (fire service)?

 

Must say, this is what my NFH used to do last summer - light fires close to our boundaries in the really dry weather. I couldn't go to bed until I was as happy as I could be that it was all extinquished - this meant us going out into the garden in the dark and late at night to check for ambers (we can see from some parts of their garden from our garden and the bedroom windows). If I had seen any ambers after they had gone in then I would have called 999. Scary stuff!


Edited by celestina, 17 July 2014 - 03:22 PM.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 05:14 PM

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Hi Celestina,

 

I've been close to calling the fire brigade every time but I've dithered over it, as it seems a little over the top.

I know it sounds terrible but I've taken the view that if everything goes up in flames, then what can I do really? It would be partly my garden but also a lot of boundary fences for other properties.

That's the bit that annoys me too. I've had 2 neighbours moan to me about it and particularly some of the people at the back must have been choking in their homes and gardens at the weekend as you literally couldn't see their houses through the smoke but will they call anyone about it? No, probably not but come moaning to people like me about it!

I've checked my insurance and it's all covered but to be honest, I would present the HA with the cost of any damage, as I've told them what is going on.

I honestly don't think this bloke has got enough wits about him to run his own home. He is quite young and very clueless.

That's ok if it is not a safety issue but when he is putting homes and people at risk, it needs looking at.

 

When I told the HA about the dog issue before, they went round and also found there was considerable damage to the flat. They told me this and said they needed to take action about the state of the flat. I thought, yes, funny how you are a bit more interested when you've found damage that is at a cost to you but if it affects anyone else, you can barely raise an eyebrow.

I've not had an answer from any of them yet!

 

I spoke to the local council in the end and they have been really good. Letters sent to him and the tenant of the flat who's garden he is using. They said that he is responsible for what goes on in his garden. I wonder if he has been pressured into letting him take over his garden as he seems a quiet and timid man. Perhaps he didn't feel he could say no. The HA should deal with that too.

 

It's a shame that the fire brigade doesn't have a non-emergency number where you can just ask them for advice and then they can decide whether they need to attend or not. Not sure if that would work but the whole emergency, lights flashing and sirens feel like it should be the last resort to me x


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 05:50 PM

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I might be adding fuel to the fire here but I do not think there is anything wrong with having log fires in one's garden in the evenings ... it is no different to people having BBQs during the day ... in fact, at least the sun is not out and it is much cooler in the evenings ... and it is a little does seem a little bit weird to think one's place will catch fire if a neighbour is having a fire ... is that the same mentality people have for BBQs, I am wondering.

 

Lady Godiva - burning garden rubbish and something that gives off excessive smoke on a regular basis is perhaps a different story ... and it can't be doing the environment much good.

 

I burn an eco friendly log very occasionally - I want to be able to do so more often, especially on cool summer evenings, to enable me to enjoy my garden but I can't because NFH just stalk and complain and use that as a platform in which to abuse, threaten and violate both me and my property.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

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Yes, the firebrigade do offer a fire safety service - worth contacting them and explaining your concerns.

 

Angee, bbq's tend to be contained and make limited smoke- bonfires (depending on what you burn) can also be toxic and create much more smoke. Also, we are trusting the NFH to keep it contained and put it out properly :o  ;)  

 

It worries me when NFH start fires around us :(


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:29 PM

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I'm not really talking about controlled, occasional fires or BBQs Angee!

 

It started of with 8 hours solid Saturday and Sunday and the smoke was so thick, you couldn't see the houses behind us!

Petrol flying everywhere and every time another layer of green waste went on it, it was topped up with more petrol.

It's not contained at all and it straight onto dried, cut grass about 6 inches deep!

Also, starting it at 11pm and walking off and leaving it burning?

 

At one point, him and a mate were squirting the liquid they were using (the petrol must have run out) into the air and setting fire to it as it was flying around everywhere!

 

It's not really the same, is it!



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:39 PM

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For what you describe I would seriously consider calling 999 and describe to them what is happening -  unsafe use of accelerant, proximity to fencing, unattended etc. That's just a recipe for a serious accident.

 

If you contact your local fire station they might even tell you to dial 999 next time it happens. It sounds like there is a risk to property and life.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:42 PM

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Can you take some video's of this? This is scary and perhaps the time to call 999 is when he has walked off and left it unattended? You can then say theres a fire and no-one about? I don't know, regardless of insurance this numb nuts is putting everyone at risk.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 06:07 PM

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I'm so tired tonight!

Up for most of the night, with thunder and lightning and heavy rain, so was a bit dismayed when I had only been in an hour and NFH and various mates are all in the 'new' garden and the pallet chopping up has started already.

No fire lit yet though.

They were also playing football and very charmingly using my garden as well! There's a couple of gaps in the hedge where some of my trees just suddenly died.

Just come on in and help yourself!

It makes me wonder if he has even asked the neighbour who's garden he is using if that would be ok. Maybe he's just taken it over and thinks the man is too timid to say anything.

Luckily, it is getting quite cloudy now, so maybe it will rain later and no fires, I hope!



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:17 AM

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OMG, such a stressful night last night!

 

Fire lit at 10.15pm and then looked out to see one of the idiots waving a fully lit plank of wood around the garden.

Then the liquid on the fire, so it was shooting up in the air like an explosion.

They all seemed drunk, so no sense of safety or consideration.

Just laughing at their antics.

Then they went off out down the road and left the fire burning.

There was shouting, swearing and crashing about when they got back until gone 2am.

Absolutely out of control.

 

I emailed both housing associations this morning. His and the one who owns the actual property.

They've not answered a single email about this so far and I feel that I'm just being ignored, yet last night was crazy.

It needs stopping now.

 

I just can't think of anyone to go to who can help/will answer and take control of the situation sooner, rather than later.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:44 AM

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I found this online http://www.hullcc.go...&_schema=PORTAL

 

If you witness a bonfire that is unattended, call Humberside Fire and Rescue Service on 999.

 

Probably not your area but I imagine the advice stands for anyone.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 11:07 AM

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Thanks Geoman,

 

The woman at the council said to me that everyone finds it hard to make the call as to whether to phone the Fire Brigade.

I suppose it is because any decent person worries about wasting resources etc, especially when the person who is doing this should know better.

 

I've spoken to one of the Housing Officers involved.

She is from the HA that owns the property and is new.

First thoughts is she seems sensible and helpful (fingers crossed).

She has written to his own Housing Officer to tell him that although they need to go round to see the tenant, definitely NO MORE FIRES from now on.

There haven't been any so far, which is good, as it is about 30º here now and dry as dust everywhere.

She is also coming to meet me. Don't know why but usually it is a good thing, as in the past, it has shown I'm a decent, friendly person who doesn't like ASB.

I think they expect that anyone suffering from NsFH are going to be some sort of lout themselves!!!!!


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 06:19 PM

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Still no more fires but more pallets being moved into the garden! It looks a right state but at least the housing officer can see all this when she comes.

The way the garden looks now with all the burnt patches, dumped furniture and pallets everywhere just about sums up what has been going on. The various petrol cans are all there too.

Also, it isn't his garden anyway, so it makes it all the more of a flamin' cheek in my eyes!

 

We had a letter put through our door today about a break in, in our area and asking if we'd seen anything. I don't believe I saw anything specific but we've had quite a lot of people hanging around waiting for this neighbour next to me to come home.

He seems very popular with a certain type! Not saying at all that it is anything to do with his visitors but it's hard to tell if there are any specific people hanging around as there seems to be a constant conveyer belt of hanger arounders!!!!

 

The dog situation seems to have come back again too. Weird how his housing officer was sure it had been re-homed! 

I sent my son to take all the rubbish down to the bin and the dog was blocking his way, barking at him and trying to jump up at him. No one was around or seemed to know it was running loose.

I did shout out loudly for it to go away and then it was called back in. That's strange for a dog that doesn't live there anymore.