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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:30 PM

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I have just got an android phone and am wondering, as the council seem to have a policy of "not taking your word for it" (whilst taking the neighbour's word for it...) whether there is an app I could get to record what we hear?

 

As it's summer, most of the abuse and violent sounding screaming comes from the front or back gardens. The man, even when talking to his two toddlers, uses the words "feck" (without the e) or the c-word, literally in every single sentence. A couple of days ago they were loudly opining and putting the world to rights at their BBQ which happens to be right behind the one piece of high fence we have. (ie: They didn't know we were there) and I overheard the woman getting indiginant she could never work again (not that she does now) if she lost her CRB. The scenario she might lose it? I quote, word for word, "Say, I assaulted next door"  (they are the end of this little group of houses so I am the only next door). We feel like the council have ignored us (til I threatened to contact the Ombudsman). Now they are inviting us in for a little cosy chat next week - and seem to suddenly be at pains to pretend they are bothering. But that was only when I threatened the Ombudsman and went over the head of their skinhead 'Community Officer' who seemed very defensive of these people.

 

They installed a CCTV camera pointing at our garden. Nothing happened about that even though one council worker told me they installed it without the council's permission (is a council house). We live in an almost zero crime area, btw. Nice neighbour has lived here over 50 years and can't recall a single break in. But within weeks of them moving in, they were chucking stuff over our fence then ringing the police (who told me to 'rise above it' but didn't tell them to stop...)The shouting and verbal abuse/emotional abuse of their kids is unbearable. It is daily.

 

We have got to the point my kdis walk 1 1/2 miles to the village rather than play at home. Our garden is unusable. (If we strim or use a power washer - they complain - yet they spent two days drilling holes for their CCTV). They are unemployed so think anything after 5pm is too noisy, yet will stand in the garden for hours calling their kids all the most obscene things you can imagine.

 

We called SS but they seem to have signed them off after a month or two.

 

So I want to go to this meeting armed with proof - ie recordings, and it doesn;t matter whether it would be admissable in court but just to prove to the council we are telling the truth.

 

I tried one app last night but they had a riproaring abuse fest just now in the garden and the bit I managed to record didn't work. Any apps I could use?  The council have high tech equipment they could loan us but that would be 2 weeks max, and they go quiet for short periods if they have been 'told off'. Plus that would add more weeks whilst we waited for it and these idiots get their Introductory Tenancy changed automatically to a Secure in Sept so time is of the essence.

 

Any apps you'd recommend?

 

 



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:44 PM

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A lot of what you have said here wont help you or is inaccurate 


Edited by fullcircle, 25 July 2014 - 06:44 PM.

For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:47 PM

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A lot of what you have said here wont help you or is inaccurate


Why? Perhaps you could elaborate.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:09 PM

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I have just got an android phone and am wondering, as the council seem to have a policy of "not taking your word for it" (whilst taking the neighbour's word for it...) whether there is an app I could get to record what we hear?

 

 

Is the apps for recording, if so, will it help you taking action?

 

 

 

As it's summer, most of the abuse and violent sounding screaming comes from the front or back gardens. The man, even when talking to his two toddlers, uses the words "feck" (without the e) or the c-word, literally in every single sentence.

 

http://www.nfh.org.u...e-or-insulting/

 

that if my local police are telling the truth, voice recording available if required.

 

 

A couple of days ago they were loudly opining and putting the world to rights at their BBQ which happens to be right behind the one piece of high fence we have. (ie: They didn't know we were there) and I overheard the woman getting indiginant she could never work again (not that she does now) if she lost her CRB. The scenario she might lose it? I quote, word for word, "Say, I assaulted next door"  (they are the end of this little group of houses so I am the only next door). We feel like the council have ignored us (til I threatened to contact the Ombudsman)

 

 Now they are inviting us in for a little cosy chat next week - and seem to suddenly be at pains to pretend they are bothering. But that was only when I threatened the Ombudsman and went over the head of their skinhead 'Community Officer' who seemed very defensive of these people.

None of the above matters to youir cause and the ombudsman will not help you achieve what you are looking for.

 

 

 

 

They installed a CCTV camera pointing at our garden. Nothing happened about that even though one council worker told me they installed it without the council's permission (is a council house).

 

They don’t need the council’s permission

 

 

 We live in an almost zero crime area, btw. Nice neighbour has lived here over 50 years and can't recall a single break in. But within weeks of them moving in, they were chucking stuff over our fence then ringing the police (who told me to 'rise above it' but didn't tell them to stop...)The shouting and verbal abuse/emotional abuse of their kids is unbearable. It is daily.

 

 We have got to the point my kdis walk 1 1/2 miles to the village rather than play at home. Our garden is unusable. (If we strim or use a power washer - they complain - yet they spent two days drilling holes for their CCTV). They are unemployed so think anything after 5pm is too noisy, yet will stand in the garden for hours calling their kids all the most obscene things you can imagine.

 We called SS but they seem to have signed them off after a month or two.

 So I want to go to this meeting armed with proof - ie recordings, and it doesn;t matter whether it would be admissable in court but just to prove to the council we are telling the truth.

 None of the above will help you

 

 

I tried one app last night but they had a riproaring abuse fest just now in the garden and the bit I managed to record didn't work. Any apps I could use?  The council have high tech equipment they could loan us but that would be 2 weeks max, and they go quiet for short periods if they have been 'told off'. Plus that would add more weeks whilst we waited for it and these idiots get their Introductory Tenancy changed automatically to a Secure in Sept so time is of the essence.

 

Any apps you'd recommend?

 

 

 you need to look at what the problem is and confine it to that, perhaps ask the council if they will provide the recording equipment need for action to be taken if that is the problem, it must be official recordings, not something which could have been recorded at the local supermarket with a dictaphone , this is where the problem lies, it won’t be all over in a few weeks unfortunately, don’t waste your time with side tracking

 

 


Edited by fullcircle, 25 July 2014 - 07:10 PM.

For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 09:26 PM

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You can buy a CCTV microphone and connect it to a hard disk drive. The trouble with getting the council to listen is that you cannot prove that it is their voices. Also, when it is windy, that can cover the sound. You can have a camera covering the fence, but I was told that I cannot film in their garden. I have an old mobile phone that records my NFH, they are that loud. The police said to me- so why are you offended by swearing? Everyone swears these days. You have as much right to be outside as they do- try not to let them bully you into avoiding your garden. Mine did that to me for years- CCTV dampens what mine do, but I know that it doesn't work for everyone and when mine are drunk, they sometimes play up to the cameras. Headphones and sunglasses.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 02:41 PM

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There is an app called 'Heard' that constantly records in the background but also records over itself unless you press a button which saves the last five minutes of audio. Basically, nothing gets saved unless you press the button so it's useful if you want to keep a short outburst of some sort. It probably doesn't do much for battery life though. The problem is there is nothing to show where the recording is being made although it is time stamped.


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Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:24 AM

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Meeting with woman from council tomorrow, so let's see what new excuses they come up with. :)

 

I will confine myself to hard facts. I have a copy of the tenancy agreement they will have signed as Introductory Tenants so will simply go down it, chapter and verse, with the sections they have contravened. (Arguing is one, threatening or abusive language in your garden is another, etc etc - any one of these can be grounds to evict). We now have other witnesses - neighbours from further down the row, who are happy to back us up.  We have logged most of it.  If they offer me their state of the art recording equipment - I will take it.  The comment I heard a few days ago re 'assaulting next door' is in itself, a threat. The man has physically appeared in our garden and been abusive to my husband, within days of moving in. My first objective is to make sure their tenancy doesn't automatically become a secure one. Which it will in Sept if we do nothing. Beyond that - they really need to go. The behaviours are threatening, violent, and break the tenancy agreement they signed. End of.

 

Tonight, as we were driving off to go shopping, the woman bolted into the front garden and started peering desperately over to our side to try and see where my husband was  - when he came towards the car she scuttled in. Very odd. It was her lobbing things into our garden then ringing the police to pretend they were 'stolen'.



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:30 AM

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Oh re. what someone says upthread that they don't need the council's permission to install CCTV.... that's not what the council told me, when I phoned them. Apparently, they should have had permission. They are only Introductory tenants - they have far more circumscribed rights than secure or 'heritage tenants'.  They did not use a professional installer. I will clarify tomorrow but so far, the only council employee I have spoken to about this, said they should have had permission. So at the moment, I have to believe that may be the case. The police have told me that if the council does nothing, they will come out to look at it.



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:10 AM

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Be prepared to be very disappointed by your meeting with the council.

You have no evidence of any offence or tenancy agreement breech, so you will need to work hard to make the council understand your point of view. It is likely from their behaviour that your nfh have already reported you to the council as their nfh, and the council may try to use the meeting to gain evidence against you.

You need to make sure you remain calm and only state what is nessesary and fact. I would say only enough to secure the loan of recording equipment and nothing else.
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:36 PM

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It went really well. So I'm not at all 'disappointed'. :)  It will be a long process but they have a plan of action, I felt we were taken seriously and the neighbours if they don't toe the line will find themselves evicted. I saw the boss of the useless community officer - and she will be handling it personally. She is paying them a visit next week, and will be involving any other agencies she feels are needed.   And no, they hadn't already reported us as their NFH (apart from that original pre-emptive strike the week they moved in - which the council, having seen it before, believe was a pre-emtpive strike too). They moaned about us slamming doors, the council pointed out they have no furniture and live in a room with an uncarpeted concrete floor which is an echo chamber that would amplify noises from us - and they promptly dropped it.

 

I did stay calm and we have secured loan of the recording equipment when we need it. They accept this family may well go quiet for a while after warning so we can have the equipment at short notice, when they start up. This gives them a fair chance to change their behaviours. The SS and maybe police and other agencies will be called in, if needed and we're told there is nothing the neighbours can now do to stop that process.

 

Tonight at 11pm for the first time ever, they were hammering, drilling into two walls adjoining our's and playing loud music. Neither of which they have done before. So if they have already had The Letter or a phonecall, then it looks promising for us as rather than calm them down for a bit, they're giving us ammunition. Either way, we felt listened to and believed and the fact there are 5 houses here, and the 3 others are backing us up, apparently means it is likely that as when it gets to court it is on balance of probability, council feel we may have a real chance of a result. They have to give them a couple of chances to reform. As they are incapable of it, I'm fairly sure they will be packing their bags now in the next year.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 10:18 AM

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Tonight at 11pm for the first time ever, they were hammering, drilling into two walls adjoining our's and playing loud music. Neither of which they have done before. So if they have already had The Letter or a phonecall, then it looks promising for us as rather than calm them down for a bit, they're giving us ammunition.

 

I hope things go as well as you are implying,

 

however, it does seam as though you want your nfh to do something which might cause trouble so that you can report them, rather than be at peace with you,

 

I hope you are not making a rod for your own back


Edited by fullcircle, 31 July 2014 - 10:21 AM.

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For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 10:16 PM

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I think they can't help themselves so the sooner we get something recordable, the sooner they will be gone, is what I meant. And of course I want them to go. I am not naive enough to think that violent, threatening, abusive people can change their underlying personalities - and a lengthy period of them faking being 'normal' will only prolong the process. :) To clarify: they are abusive people so 'being at peace' with them is out of the question. The screaming, when it starts (which is daily) is so frightening, it makes me shake even if there is a wall between us and them. I am often alone in the house in the daytime and it is a remote area - nearest police station 8 miles away. I feel vulnerable so of course I want them gone. Why would I ever want to keep the peace with people who seem to have no boundaries? (And who we can hear, daily, emotionally abusing their kids). What makes you think that could suddenly end?

 

The council official we spoke to had my email in front of her that simply listed - in very neutral language - precisely what they had done followed by a quote from their Introductory Tenancy agreement, to show precisely where the tenancy contract had been breached. I forgot to say yesterday, but one of the best things that came out of it yesterday, was when she said to us "They are clearly breaching the tenancy agreement in more than one way..." So I wasn't even having to fight to establish that, either.

 

I have emailed the person whose case it now is, briefly, to outline what happened last night as I know she is visiting them next week so thought I'd bring her upto speed. How they can burst out of their house claiming the slightest thing is waking their baby - then hammer, drill and blast out music so loud my son could hear the lyrics, close to midnight - I have no idea.


Edited by AbsoluteIdiot, 31 July 2014 - 10:22 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 12:17 AM

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I can see where Fullcircle is going with what he says.

 

I have also had council officials offering platitudes of "hhhhmmm, yes, they are not behaving well are they"....and police...."you need solid evidence of harrasment/intimidation". This has gone on for two years +

 

Well....having got more than enough evidence that would hang, draw and quarter the average human....I now find at court all my evidence had mysteriously "disappeared" due to the (now discovered fact) my nfh is the local snitch (has only took me two years to find this out). 

 

What I am trying to say is......a year ago I thought Full circle was OTT bonkers with what he said about the authorities (sorry FC luv). I now realise that......IF you think you know what is going on...you do not. We are all just pawns and justice is all smoke and mirrors.

 

The council authorities do not care (it's just a job, you do not matter, nor your life challenges), police cannot do anything without SOLID evidence and even if you do get it.....it will either be skewed beyond belief, alibis come forth that didn't exist or evidence just vanishes.

 

Soz to sound so despondent but if you read back all my posts you will find someone who started out as confident as you did only to find that people like Full circle and Fence sitter were correct.


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"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool" (Touchstone, As You Like It, Act V, scene 1.) 

 

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:15 AM

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......a year ago I thought Full circle was OTT bonkers with what he said about the authorities (sorry FC luv).

 

 only to find that people like Full circle and Fence sitter were correct.

 

:lol: ......Love it bigbrother,........ just awesome,

 

its nice to be appreciated...........even if it has taken a year or so, 

 

:D


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For 14 years I've heard, trust us we'll fix it, but I am still waiting filled with empty promises.
14 years of my CCTV, of nfh causing criminal damage, abuse,lies, assault, and not one conviction,why?
If the Law is the same for everyone, why does the outcome depend on who you are?


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 06:10 PM

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Bigbrother ... did you not keep copies of evidence you supplied court and police?

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 07:15 PM

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I went in there expecting platitudes, got to say - and fully expected to be fobbed off, either in a negative way or a positive way. So was on my guard for that. Different councils are different, goes without saying so no-one can assume their experience is typical, I guess?  But I felt she had a very firm plan of action and am under no illusions it may take months or a year or longer, but so long as things are moving and it happens.

 

A few years back I had the very difficult circumstance of being the main witness (ie: victim) of a harasser. When it came to court, he played the mental illness card, and walked away scot free. Three months later, a different (better) court found the same man guilty of the same crime to a different victim who'd actually had a far lower level of harassment than I had. That made me bitter and upset for years. Last year, my local police got it to court again and the man was finally convicted of harassing me. All similar (much of it milder) stuff than the other court, a few years back, let him get away with. I have stood in the witness box twice in my life and both were amongst the most horrendous hours of my life (and I have had a rough life!) So yes, different areas, different police forces - same face, different outcome. I don't now assume all police forces and all courts are morons as I had a bad experience first time. Am also not naive enough to think just because someone appears to be onside and helpful; they are.

 

But as I say - firm plan of action is in place and I am in no doubt the council will pursue it. If they don't I am also now confident they will let me the next void property in one of the local villages, as they may have to if this gets too much for me.

 

Today the neighbours have actually for the first time in ten months, been playing with their kids outside, and not screaming or effing and jeffing. So I think they got The Letter.  Experience tells me they will probably last a fortnight before reverting  to type. But as the council woman said, if them conforming temporarily buys you some peace in your garden for the summer holiday, we will simply start recording them in Sept, and take it from there.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:43 AM

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Bigbrother ... did you not keep copies of evidence you supplied court and police?

It makes no difference whatsoever. Having got my phone back, the full recording is still on it....however, the case has been closed and it cannot be referred to again so I have no recourse. The Proc fiscals decision is final. England has a law that victims can ask to have a case reviewed but we don't have that in Scotland.

 

I do however, have 22 minutes of iphone evidence and now also CCTV evidence of the g/f so if I need it in the future, I have it. THEY (NFH) are keeping a very, very low profile atm. I am putting the word about that I have the phone back and the video is still on it.


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"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool" (Touchstone, As You Like It, Act V, scene 1.) 

 

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